From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Newbie Info Pages Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:51:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87r09owat8.fsf@gmail.com> <289AFFBC-16A4-4728-B702-D99045B6D7FF@summerstar.me> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40453"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: suhailsingh247@gmail.com, corwin@bru.st, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Summer Emacs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 19 05:52:02 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sr8D3-000AN6-N3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2024 05:52:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sr8CS-0008Uy-3i; Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:51:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sr8CQ-0008Ui-Ny for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:51:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sr8CQ-0001O9-2N; Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:51:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=v/z0OLk+mFqC1l5v4Ofbub4sz4WNlUqijdEQQrwOCF4=; b=Pi/zJ6ZPi1b9 Ho7xwIDLRDHERz69AYGoxZiGKzeUPiLd4XxXJ4BG86R88SyMbBaJNQfZ1JrrFK/jkeq3f3gPOT8O2 j96zbxVi6nbwTvhQMzCtLbaIFm0BM+zAysY/UgnyugtPDTH/Z+yyhqvwbeIFm8E9OC1UQ47Ulhx8+ p6or1hHPsSy5p347rjyBCUyU1fsS7PW8/PRN7rUlzSPPNdJA+He0U0A3k9QQenT4angtkdbenFhf0 dWWMXu6UTKt6VO/cujW1WKzOawRmGu5LFhjtIWNULYatLRxmlRKVcFcP3hJSc7pGsNTTrLEQrWJSv Rtaa41RuaYzlasbk+kMGxA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sr8CP-0001mM-Ju; Wed, 18 Sep 2024 23:51:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <289AFFBC-16A4-4728-B702-D99045B6D7FF@summerstar.me> (message from Summer Emacs on Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:58:21 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323742 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 1) My proposal is for new people to have a landing set of pages to > click through, explaining things in a clear and easy way for them to > understand without the instant introduction of concepts which are > alien to them. I think the help files are a great thing, but they are > overwhelming for new people. Could you please state concretely what pages you call "Help pages"? I don't think we use that term, and I am not sure what you're referring to. If you state some precise file names or URLs, then it will be clear what you mean. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)