From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Telemetry, opt-in, opt-out [was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove] Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 00:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <7133BE83-064B-43A4-A193-61376605222C@dancol.org> <055E6E92-6971-409E-A106-7E0C64FEF856@dancol.org> <87bk3r22x5.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15774"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Madhu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 28 06:03:30 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sN2pd-0003pu-1C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 06:03:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sN2p1-0007ws-1O; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 00:02:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sN2oy-0007wP-Qj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 00:02:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sN2oy-0002Zv-AD; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 00:02:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=yuwUSZn1RAM3qxZsax+RvxG9GQchiJK28D5337ii7EE=; b=QV3OR5cKG0u/ V8PKlEm15RjH9bqNrKWoVpDaBklZVhcxsJCp9Lh36QflGoGm8K06AVrPYH5+mmh52B30CMtcESCUL plVGjJ0mRpxCdeHkkFtySMudCwMee+lRH9d2HskdxtczMY9L9+Kh9v8cVMtxQlc7TvmrsY5kgUfVL Sq0kRPp8OO52ttfN9iWH6j2EloEGA9iaOR6l2pGiJtSO9NvXRb1J7WO7nzENnYamfPjmh2rSMVJ90 PZhvbCodOJopQdi3osQIw7vFdW1LMQE+nSyiFnE9WMa1w+duj+DghN8YmzNask4qFgkYLZjIpXQ9n AubVrCYGYgpit21zBS1aSQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sN2ox-0006YS-O9; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 00:02:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Madhu on Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:58:07 +0530) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:320792 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But with telemetry there is data which can be passed-off as non-biased > and international investors can control the development of emacs based > on the numbers (backed by solid evidence) I think that it is ok to have a kind of telemetry feature, but for privacy's sake it should ask the user to confirm transmission just before sending any data. At that point, it should describe in a clear way what data will be sent. It doesn't need to be totally precise about tiny details of what data, but should give enough info that the yser can see what privacy implications there could be. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)