From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should native compilation be enabled by default? Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:54 -0500 Message-ID: References: <86sf19p0hw.fsf@gnu.org> <86zfvclvdl.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38172"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 08 03:30:49 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1riQ0W-0009hx-El for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 08 Mar 2024 03:30:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzg-0000qF-Rr; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzf-0000py-Jc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPzf-0005Ox-C4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=DfJ2j8MtH0HXru7BBWzGa7zxzCdwJ+2BfhKAI+m9dUA=; b=ahzONLtc2R38 UalOe2KGGjoi7BB/5eyjoUqdsYOEXx/WHQfn9YGWpu0TdSewDiFoDY4YDB/Cvei2oSAqmqbtrZLbA hG9HWfE16yBoivsdVciEo5rdFpgMh7KmWNYIsrjQZIJzgvApE93OiUieDoJlDrcinv2A5X22mLMzp Q6ASfuV1bfW42hq3/rA1+oMrUV9oXbPI9VpAmoAJZVrmDavhVpOWQ6f9VntSxiVerFHAqvJPXgVzj nFOnNJ4UcbV8+vrn4O3nPM8joFZNIIoWvP+dfMMXhWIGwuBcZpun1+6g/+ZzP2QTlqMdmdAMxPptr GLK7edFRCw5jeC8g0nFONQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1riPze-0007Sm-1f; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 21:29:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86zfvclvdl.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 05 Mar 2024 14:24:06 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:316886 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > This is true, but the slowdown is IME insignificant on a reasonably > modern system. Could you explain what "reasonably modern" refer to OS releases, to CPUs, or what? The only CPUs we can morally recommend to people are the ones before the hardware backdoors became impossible to disable completely. They are around 15 years old. Does installing a current GNU/Linux distro release on one of those computers add up to a "reasonably modern system"? > I disagree, based on my experience. I see a significant speedup when > using Rmail for just reading email, something that I cannot > characterize as "power use" of Emacs. Could you tell me more about this experience? Which operations become faster? How big is your Rmail file? How many messages are in it? > And there are other significant speed advantages. Would you please tell me more? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)