From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#69132: [ELPA] Remove jQuery from elpa.gnu.org Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87jzn6g7ep.fsf@posteo.net> <87h6iap2lz.fsf@posteo.net> <87a5nswvwr.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5813"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: corwin@bru.st, 69132@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Philip Kaludercic Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 25 04:25:59 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1re59J-0001AI-LL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 25 Feb 2024 04:25:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1re592-000251-23; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:25:40 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1re590-00024m-P7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1re590-00044M-GF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:25:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1re59O-00014r-I8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:26:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2024 03:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 69132 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 69132-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B69132.17088315253993 (code B ref 69132); Sun, 25 Feb 2024 03:26:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 69132) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2024 03:25:25 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1re58l-00012F-Fr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:25:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1re50A-0000Ry-Ou for 69132@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:16:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1re4xY-0001tH-I2; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:13:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=9Ghkprnn5QaaIqA79ziqo1baRfvtiQVGIrN0HZnGr/I=; b=WcuclrXmz5O+ 8qaOQ15D6yy50jGlDNWVR/WhCQN3BuQSBl1M5BYS5Ii7SGVFfbIP/9hTugvn4KGW3C1LMC9oBUpfk ZLWSWOGSpv2NCLCeItJQmenSh7SUiiz9KGkyJfUqKAChc7oBtkZvyEwjZcniimKXYLGva/t5lAGPi PurrtDFNdRBkW/sK3lRL6I/3zMXXGxL99YIx0eOxjf/20YPzdrh5b6yQyUKalbhoRMaBOX7oylTeC HkFuNTHCvVngxObZsP/R2lbLoiFVu02bTkQH7sP5IRKGxbkne1kqVKi77EQvlIjZpYVu9muhmm1Ef sRK4tovFvLmE9OliZ5mtUw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1re4xX-0003fQ-Qn; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:13:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a5nswvwr.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Thu, 22 Feb 2024 12:00:52 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:280583 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > There are two fully moral ways to implement a search feature for a web > > site. One is to implement it inside the web server. The other is to > > communicate with a free program that the user has installed in per > > computer, and could replace with any other. > In this case, both options would be overkill. Do you mean, they would be more complex than is _technically_ necessary? I believe you, but this issue is about a choice that is mainly moral, not technical. This moral issue is about showing leadership in avoiding Javascript (even free Javascript) when that is possible. > The search functionality > does little more than just hiding a few elements from a table. In > practice, it don't offer much more than using the built-in C-f search > functionality, that every browser provides. That browser feature does not use Javascript sent by the server. All of the code for the browser search feature is installed by the user, who can choose which browser version to install. So it does not raise this moral issue at all. Do you see why Javascript raises a distinct moral issue? > We should be talking about the same code; I am not sure what you mean by > instructing users to install the code themselves? Are you talking about > user-scripts? Yes, that's the term I should have used. Thanks. This issue is about who controls what code you run -- not about what the code _does_. The Javascript code, sent by the web site, gives that site control. The very same code, installed by the user, does not. But if the code is simple, perhaps the API is not worth the trouble. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)