From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#68687: [PATCH] Use text/org media type Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:56:58 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6d94fff4-4d30-4121-bfd1-f267cb5b637c@gmail.com> <8734uqpvgn.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> <49fa47c0-522a-46d7-ba0d-6e688aa26a8e@gmail.com> <74b83cf9-cd7e-429a-bd9d-0af964e1ddc5@gmail.com> <8634uh5rrq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33718"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 68687@debbugs.gnu.org, manikulin@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 30 04:58:11 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfGE-0008cb-77 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:58:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfG4-0006t6-Bq; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:58:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfFy-0006ng-U8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:57:54 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfFx-00011O-MY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:57:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfG6-0008Ht-A3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:58:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 68687 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 68687-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B68687.170658704031802 (code B ref 68687); Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:58:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 68687) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jan 2024 03:57:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfFP-0008Gr-H1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:57:19 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34564) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfFO-0008Gc-40 for 68687@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:57:18 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfF6-0000oX-9w; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:57:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=zjAFXS2MH12haNu/Hh35FradmX6n0vZMJq1e+u/fk38=; b=dthDcQnQi6d+ QHQ5KTDc5AnZcqlraQlcI2LUYHc9EGPWNehiYbRPJZK4H2fFOvMTBsY1zm+enVnUwoVGXOb6S2S1z 9o2f8qzPNc7b0LDy0qvF92/AhspUhbOLEKAi1vWZiUevVAnZpZp4ZuVx4pbN+wKSBEkMF1Y4EHgY7 4AVRwr4c/myc4YkZS01oakgNbGpOWgoLyBojNRuAzrDMrlNwolkAip7R9Xg8ZOm4JHBHbB2zPQVR5 KEY5HGmRVxvFsJcOaShjpP8yrilBayyOLYnYV2elWogmcL3Oj5SwwkOHUr23S0YL+eo3YaCQuRD1z ObKEfCHMgxnqKDkzfPPuRQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rUfF4-00069N-Gu; Mon, 29 Jan 2024 22:56:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8634uh5rrq.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 28 Jan 2024 18:47:37 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:279159 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think Richard lacks the broader context: that text/org is supposed > to appear in the Content-Type header in email messages, and the MUA is > supposed to display this content in received email messages according > to user expectations, which generally follow how Org buffers display > text. Thanks/ I had a feeling that it was something along roughtly those lines, but I was not sure. Now I know. I am concerned that the actions described above would tend to embed Org format and Org mode more deeply into Emacs usage. Suppose A and B are Org users. If A knows this, and mails B a message which contains text labaled as text/org, that won't make anyone unhappy. No one would have a reason to complain. But what if C mails a message to D with text labeled as text/org and D is not an Org user? Will that cause Emacs to load Org? It should not. What will Gnus do when the user readss a message with text labaled as text/org? What will Rmail do? What will MH-E do? These are crucial questions because the answers would determine whether this feature pressures people to use Org mode or not. We need concrete answers because only that would enable us to see cleary now whether the feature would do that if in use. Max Nikulin wrote: Received or fetched Org > files must be treated with some precautions, but it is another story. I was not aware of this issue. Let's look at it concretely now so we can determine what its implications are. Have people already written a list of these precautions? If so, I'd like to see it. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)