From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: jami-bot and org-jami-bot Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:03:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <875y0i7e43.fsf@hoowl.se> <87y1cyqoso.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, hanno@hoowl.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 14 04:04:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOqnD-0003z2-AX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 04:04:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOqmh-0008QA-SC; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:03:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOqmf-0008Om-Sn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:03:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOqmf-0001tl-57; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:03:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=hWRKOLUuRen2HNRxBdSSEMV9dGY5aN1JjHjhWcto/Zc=; b=fbRe1BHGKxbC xi6+KXL726Kr8CLsm6jRHjnYZ8uwuygVfNtkLlJc0+CeL4qG9rg27gpoCQASws8uLvY3CvxLLb9JJ 2iJp55ZVrd/0CoRf7xw/xvl0ydMLSS9wMztRh2BSOKQtihuLMDs1BaJorIkOcwbKrFa1dfb3RCl8E N8wDofFZ1RxUy9bGSVVShJoeVA+KU6d0BTJGq9yM0k30kYvcqO47Tjz1metC3WDgPVlm/DtxNvYPl ko5LFZi9ocJohR6eiZaPuJxudvhx8Cgs2z9K6X4e+ZripbREw+nHIVd+iAefTmp49BGiGmTKMSO9j qQFPhzuDtfghI++V3e2E/Q==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOqmZ-0002Ht-AL; Sat, 13 Jan 2024 22:03:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:12:20 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314943 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I never used the word "trivial" in this thread, I don't think. > This is what I said: > "Without the org parts, there's nothing there. I apologize for misquoting you. I didn't realize I was doing so. (I still don't entirely understand the difference.) Maybe you're saying that it is that the package's Org-related parts are spread all through it? I will look at the code today and I suppose I will then get the point. To change it 'not to > require org' amounts to writing another package from scratch." Maybe that's what's needed, then. The crucial thing is that this feature "Jami capture" not be limited to Org mode. But any reasonable way of doing it is ok -- that level is not what the issue is about. > > It would not be the first time. There are various other features that > > were integrated into Org mode and there is no way to use them from > > Emacs except via Org mode. It is a general design flaw, taking Emacs > > overall in a bad direction. > Sure, but you might be preaching to the choir here. There is already > broad agreement on this point. That sounds like great news. I have not seen any of it yet, so I hope I will see it in last week's backlog of mail. I spent many hours writing the code for cond*, which is mostly working. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)