From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translation of manuals (was: SES manual French translation) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <835y0azhvo.fsf@gnu.org> <83wmsqy14p.fsf@gnu.org> <3E7CF23D-CE62-4581-80D6-E6266CEE4DF5@traductaire-libre.org> <83edexy5cy.fsf@gnu.org> <1E3685C0-7B33-45BB-BF3C-AD1215BAB33B@traductaire-libre.org> <87o7dv9pax.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23859"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 10 05:25:32 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rNQ9k-00066H-AH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 10 Jan 2024 05:25:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNQ8y-0004my-1T; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNQ8w-0004lz-7O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:42 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNQ8n-0004OT-MT; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=cldogmA2sTwq62PP18VIZksKvAwmvW3Zo2ooON1MDxU=; b=G53KGWYmA/dD 9Fpc7x+4J2ApKjAEohm/tkG+WDt7ieRrCyVXiewqkHNe/AqvXxm9q8yq6spjJSlEATwMvlPa8bdSv x0nng2bL7jMuIY4xWLpnynKbjTRqe2kn//Nfim70TNeMoGDLMXsyptz9dZBwT6TuEWEEgAny78tPn 9xUU2jGqsA2Emch09OwfZdjuFvyANAj/QTdrffkHqBdLM8OkfuHFMMY853Lc/Uz1JAdL6M1fCssIz UyhQQCJ7I6UYv1XjJ8cqhanhTWh8ikdAXDWrucoaxKIFU2EdC4IDNu858Aw4wkKIFvN8/+XBC92wX T7bXJMHRXiYeMRcsY6oedw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rNQ8k-0007xK-SF; Tue, 09 Jan 2024 23:24:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o7dv9pax.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:08:22 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314799 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Maybe we can instead have a positive model that defines > a FOSS service? We would not call it "FOSS" -- we never use that term. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.html. We say "free software" instead of "FOSS", when talking about software. That name issue is superficial, not hard to fix. But I don't see how it makes sense to describe a service as a kind of software. Those are two different categories, and they raise different issuss. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html. The deeper problem here is that defining what it means for services that to users ethically is the same problem as defining what it means for services to treat users unethically. To figure out what the moral rules should be for services is a hard problem. We made a start on this around 20 years ago, producing the Franklin Street Statement. But that was only a start. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)