From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67185: Small bug in the Introduction to Elisp manual Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83edgrrz0h.fsf@gnu.org> <837cmirex3.fsf@gnu.org> <837cmgq23e.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10922"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rphodges@gmail.com, 67185@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 04:41:16 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4YgO-0002hO-DK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 04:41:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4YgC-0002SH-8A; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:41:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yg9-0002R7-HI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yg9-0000vH-98 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:41:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4YgA-0006RW-5v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:41:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 03:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67185 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 67185-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67185.170036525324743 (code B ref 67185); Sun, 19 Nov 2023 03:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67185) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2023 03:40:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49719 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yg1-0006R1-66 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47498) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yfy-0006Qn-Kd for 67185@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yfs-0000bP-25; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:44 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=C4LASLFDWqL+K7zFRj0YDmEvisUgj8LpPqCSFjUnPi4=; b=RBC5f66tm/Wu mIlbekpFHmk2YO02kj/FNK0fXSRYQfsdu8WkRJoMw0IfqeikR5xuXRyKA9XaCokYQ/VykJKPc0ARK VUOcGRWV0KaLwevxqyiuwhKgofqlTEmdVYzzknn1IHGMHYXYrEQrdwlsqKn0ydpGuUpSUWOq6Y+ad UmiWkwtj9bF87FdtvBZZo84hnyKJnBruIlix4F6S1cRvIFUx603bKavUBBq5UbTQpPxmRwP4B5trw rpY/wtdZpJzBqNqR1FErbzqwmpfO49kAOE+ZTK5O9ZfD/Vp2l+YBTD97l/eM6jlabHLNBRSQFp0FV d0k1PK9UbYCQyRPYT7kvcw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4Yfr-0006gM-O5; Sat, 18 Nov 2023 22:40:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <837cmgq23e.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 09:19:01 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:274580 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > That manual uses "converse" and "conversely" about half a dozen times: > are all of them incorrect, and actually mean "opposite" or maybe "by > contrast"? I checked these, and I think they are correct. Each one is about reversing the direction of some relation, and "converse" means that/ > The @code{kill-region} function definition also has an @code{unless} > macro; it is the converse of @code{when}. That should say "opposite". It's opposite because in the situation where `when' runs its body, `unless' does not run its body. The @code{unless} macro is > an @code{if} without a then clause The point is valid if understood in a figurative sense -- so the words need to indicate it is meant figuratively, not literally. How to do that? Maybe this: The @code{unless} macro is like an @code{if} except that it has no then-clause, and it supplies an implicit @code{nil} for that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)