From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> <8334xcwank.fsf@gnu.org> <83ttpsuiv4.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0kwf1v7.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83jzqnv53x.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26575"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 14 03:59:10 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r2jdt-0006cr-BA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Nov 2023 03:59:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2jdJ-0006T5-JV; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2jdI-0006Su-7y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:32 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2jdH-0008CU-1o; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=n9sMaIxSMXyVJ0udVwFreMfv5pdwwKJIT8rBZlUWm1Q=; b=qQDOiSUQ5n7A bLFmpomiERE94SKLnZn6/eiaksMmtKkD6w3W3FMsMjb8L9lagp1vnxEU62MwBYqhCnodwjyabdcpd AEQFptnHjH3MUxfljDdB4Sludqn8kyG6vzuJ00OJuntuUIc//tpt/Ii2B/UINMgTQ+UQFKK3qd4Ge cbUceEzrDmIwLXJkpN7i1GiHCMYHoMFgve6cXSirXyIh62se4YSEayrw0OqcijacIGBI5lwRmEgz1 hWgetMSLHC6W4+eEYoN3rIXZa00Uh8nDcpWug5o/dUWLJ56raFQ+knLWL84lU8f22l0pflSHgGe86 u8J2O4hflJVr+AyshbZNBQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r2jdG-0000oE-1O; Mon, 13 Nov 2023 21:58:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Sun, 12 Nov 2023 11:28:34 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312712 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So I think it's understandable that Eli finally lost patience with > Emanuel. I think I would have done the same, only much sooner. I managed to control my temper, partly because I came to the conclusion Berg was trolling us. One sign of this is that he challenges us to convince him, but we don't need his agreement for what we do. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)