From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <831qdlpoye.fsf@gnu.org> <83sf5xhnym.fsf@gnu.org> <871qdhk49w.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25914.49745.111873.734458@orion.rgrjr.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36166"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 30 03:10:00 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHj6-00097N-6c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2023 03:10:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHiE-0002jJ-Mu; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHiC-0002j2-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHiC-00048j-7D; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=yGweG/IZykpzhBBiiZTjjEoOh5EdBlRjFrdTMXQbK08=; b=AjvMyLlc9sKs QkaS8VP1jESQRKbZXxOLEdanN3Yhh7Y5KJ/bEHFKHQLDTffiW/evB61cn0UsSsiG6WAwd0Pq/N7WY /jyExqr35t/4suwXIpYIYm8xFthFrtlpZbLWD9l+x5nhGq4+OJaGdd5p0gq4sB9zBNjtBMgL8K9U1 QlFYFmaNK/Ftawv9PTI7Du9LU9t2NoD47uqeRfzLTD1OPdGO2ZEh976Xex0QP86LPwuWezkR9A/22 /HX74hC4oEzLXdcZ2p1lOpQImKAAca7Eq1U9rMwa8OkSQmhi+q25ZzM8Tgw08FoUAfDlF9DonRirc rm5fhPz4Z/KUT0g1h7LECA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qxHiB-0003Yq-VJ; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:09:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 28 Oct 2023 08:39:21 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311981 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Is it possible that certain abstractions or functions are filling a gap > in Emacs Lisp itself? Yes, it could well be true for some of them. In the case of `cl-pushnew', I happen to think > that the answer is yes. Do people really want `cl-pushnew', with its keyword arguments? Or would a simple `pushnew' be even more pleasing? To define `pushnew' in Emacs Lisp, and document it in the Emacs Lisp Reference Manual, would be much cleaner than spreading the use of cl-lib to more files. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)