From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkcpo2cm.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebqki4c.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32003"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 26 04:28:35 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvq6s-00082c-RT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 04:28:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvq5x-0000QX-L8; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvq5v-0000PM-GE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvq5v-0007bg-87; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=Oxayb7SRxKBUYY11ZrebidK1pvgQxKapPRcE324a72U=; b=d3WfbqERlYUw 1J2SZWCXmDTnTk6bCsrYaYqyWg/rtTtdqnNz1qBXiPqNidA0uMcRIU97iQcnaSI5GUzd2oEaXRMBZ Xt8iPxBAVddGmii0HhOBqzcaYNm9qqTF7r+IrbZ08lukA7S3sR2RjSfhot9NGewRhp2sC+DoHk56H NQxXiePZNOJApzLt9Gd0bzpfqifN5LcRyRnMdmbwKDmjSeHGC0kNcGJhN/nI54AReJdJtXeSoruJC mlcH6eooMSK8uubikWPEst/tWQtRTgkvLxqe5az3cbtcsg1JwjA8F10+TsRzW8AtdfMS163pGuN39 c4Cxk/L+RhOmpor25LvWGQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvq5u-0003NC-6K; Wed, 25 Oct 2023 22:27:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83lebqki4c.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:21:23 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311875 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Can this load cl-print.el instead of cl-lib.el? Would that do the job? > No. If you look at cl-print.el, you will immediately see why: it uses > cl-incf and cl-find-class. Thanks for telling me about the problem at that next stage. If I had tried that change I would have see why it did not work, but I had only got as far as asking you. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)