From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:53:56 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83fs3dgxv8.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24031"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 15 03:54:45 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qrqL7-00064j-Ap for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 15 Oct 2023 03:54:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qrqKO-0004I4-4V; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:54:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qrqKM-0004Hw-5l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:53:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qrqKK-0003Vb-J4; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:53:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=VDdfGntIIuZPzQeIng+yVCewIQ4m4qg30DBJGZuAWQ0=; b=rZPWo9Vbp5za B9IvGLEQ9YEU5MOBzrc4UV8HXmbpl0SDQlQc1uueH+YcgtH7z4BCQkJKAEzbtPZKn/1k+WOR5Bybf cx9cT1ftPIo44QGaRtMPoxfTteCK2PukCW1xhAyx5v6vqcc0SF8fE+JJLKITqp/sCkdfdQ9+tmZ7W MZ2lK74oafFMyi1JhjCGp5aMr6J67TIPmlqwzkTUj1kVRPpB0HKLe7k1pqs3ytner0F8ynMkyFltf WScdkIxoqblNJOkf/yXuZ8QWImksI1oZzdG5FE7L5/qo/GMLmI4BKu5QSQzIh0wCkp9XdcipBINNJ 7Rz8KszEfUEqrjIZOWCHhw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qrqKK-0001sR-3Y; Sat, 14 Oct 2023 21:53:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83fs3dgxv8.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:41:31 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311464 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 466 out of 1637 Lisp files in Emacs require cl-lib (some of them only > during compilation, i.e. they use only the macros). If a file uses cl only during compilation (for macros) it is not much of a problem. How many use it at run time? I reported one file a few weeks ago that is always (or nearly always) loaded and uses cl-lib, forcin it to be nearly always loaded too. That should be fixed. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)