From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:21:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87il8betof.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87jzspcgc9.fsf@dataswamp.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3041"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 19 12:21:50 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qiXra-0000cc-Ey for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 12:21:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiXrS-000459-IK; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiXrI-0003yv-Vb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiXrH-00080X-HW; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:21:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=El/yt/L7PMA6fhpSWty6xqXhnuj4Cp9vJjYUu+TmI0o=; b=ldmmvGIk+oGM +NU4CWYHr6BnibgKiH4QePRY++n8rkumdV/yJI2J2saXGHacmMTb425Lgij5T6FfTrA1Rb/FiXJqW 6GypZPNA0+jRV7W2ikgs5pwsiBzZ0Qo2eVJLF2lKgrVEiO+YsJfvkT9Y09j5vOSzhPGTJVW1BHmtV bY+eY85LVjl8g4/NcUOXiASOScm9WJvN6MFv1CWLcMg7bjVNWu1aJG5q7UIvKkZT8iABhHONPv3dn /+X9MlqowkyGLexig3S4gQs+iZw03iz12cr38B20Adcyk/WWXLuzQsRXEteqwdlSHVBdOMMfh8SZJ VkXhQ508mJNdFuBi3pks8Q==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qiXrG-0004jW-Hx; Tue, 19 Sep 2023 06:21:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87jzspcgc9.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:13:42 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310743 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > But the way it is used > today, as we just heard in 28% of vanilla Emacs files, isn't > because of CL emulation or compatibility purposes, but because > it adds useful features and covers aspects that non-cl-lib > Elisp leaves blank. I consider this a problem. Such frequent use of the cl facilities -- even though it is just the macros -- adds those cl macros to what people need to know to understand those files. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)