From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:00:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87ledwx7sh.fsf@yahoo.com> <877cpfybhf.fsf@yahoo.com> <873503y66i.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 13 02:01:12 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qgDJf-0002ua-UD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 02:01:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgDJH-0002CD-O7; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:00:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgDJG-0002BJ-9J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:00:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgDJF-0006H7-IC; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:00:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=a5pN3Bw/UBKkf7ezJCe0GEhVoMqedBWHz0xpE72/mio=; b=mhZM99xgtntj gRBGluQCZg0tb3nUgYU9KGjnMxnwnVGfU3MLHdkmmkFuYLdsj6HdOx5iKmt2GeIPmEwH1BSvmbKzE 5kaeo3Zg8tphhE3WFhC6ixbJUFy+1muSU+xfaWgCa4RkITC/abN7EPP5xuONlDwCpmoFPI3VCKJIH FZsCITloNLBh8Nsfa7dYLBZuDN/xUwDAMJ5YDf8qosx4+igZL2iEYa3YKtY5ZViNhVjKHLURQAcRA sY9eCjhch2hiaLKi8ygV8vRp3WfnBjTFagoJJCQO8287AATDNZGAnYgTd5BosPM/oURCW08v/Fv3q cd1Y7y0Di4v/LRLpQin47w==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qgDJD-0001Tm-FT; Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:00:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Tue, 12 Sep 2023 04:30:39 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310530 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Of course, but nobody suggests it is all-in. `length' is not a keyworded > in CL either. Oops, I thought it was -- but the time when I implemented and used Common Lisp was 40 years ago. I am pretty sure `member' used keyword arguments, and I think that getting behavior equivalent to traditional Lisp `member' required specifying a keyword argument. I never forgot that, during that period, because I got reminded of it almost every day. > But it is convenient to have keywords in > some places, like for example in define-minor-mode or make-process, or > even "new" define-keymap. I would not object to using keyword arguments for functions like that -- complex and cumbersome to use, and not used often. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)