From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is admin/unidata/copyright.html a free software license? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83pm3gvdho.fsf@gnu.org> <835y58v9qi.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org To: Christopher Dimech Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 23 04:13:24 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdN6-0000oQ-DU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Aug 2023 04:13:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMb-000897-Dr; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMY-00088n-Kh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMO-0001l3-QI; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=5yntTErs2Y72UkXrZine04WOH3qTIKO/XjNvd6AHxr4=; b=EtUkB8MqwNm6 u1urOOygUAl06kk7FnHAFrKbgiecKNwiUiPFId9NA929/U+tnEMDF1YZFRU5cWg2KuTbfc4xamlgw m1zLAPrhJ5FO++CWZ676aZkucprMaqHTLweM9zlUP7QprYxMDrDGpK2dW6YPEsigxB4SzmfnWmec4 +o26YzGCoCH1RTBKCqGU39PaVc6LIC7nWgLIgEMNB7ptZkFhg6nfVwhpEqRLDyKSnlxCZGirKz2tN 84SICYGHf28cirRFs3sYfEDvTi5afRQ5aKGeNVj/LfrysLBqwaU0VcLdnP/z0PzM+T9crjeYefWWR cGYg8QO6p7rc0pVrqjMONw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qYdMN-0002mZ-VV; Tue, 22 Aug 2023 22:12:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Christopher Dimech on Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:11:13 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309117 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Message-ID: > From: Christopher Dimech > To: Ulrich Mueller > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > Subject: Re: Is admin/unidata/copyright.html a free software license? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:11:13 +0200 > Sensitivity: Normal > In-Reply-To: <835y58v9qi.fsf@gnu.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 12:52 AM > > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > > To: "Ulrich Mueller" > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Subject: Re: Is admin/unidata/copyright.html a free software license? > > > > > From: Ulrich Mueller > > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:48:51 +0200 > > > > > > >>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > > > This was indeed discussed, and the conclusion was that it's okay for > > > > us to distribute these files, and to distribute data based on those > > > > files as part of Emacs. > > > > > > Could you point me to the previous discussion please? > > > > No, it was not on a public forum. > > > > > I don't disagree that these files can be distributed (at least > > > currently). However, merely being distributable is a much lower standard > > > than being free. > > > > As you yourself say, correctly, these files contain data, not code, > > and the data is of the kind that hardly ever justifies copyright. > > > > > >> I am also surprised that these lists in admin/unidata/ or, in general, > > > >> a character set can be copyrightable. (For example, everyone uses ASCII > > > >> without thinking about copyright of the underlying ANSI X3.4 standard. > > > >> The same applies to several much larger CJK character sets.) > > > > > > > So therefore why are you raising this non-issue, from your POV? > > > > > > But is it a non-issue? Why would Unicode claim copyright for these files > > > if they aren't copyrightable? > > > > I have no idea. Feel free to ask them. > The Unicode Consortium’s data files and software are globally and freely licensed > under the Unicode License (https://www.unicode.org/license.txt). > Only the Unicode Code Charts are made available under their own specific and narrow > terms and conditions. > >> In the latter case, the problem isn't solved, because we still have: > >> > | Unicode, Inc. shall have the right to modify this Agreement > >> > | at any time by posting it to this website. > It does not matter whether they have the right to modify the agreement. > When you get the data files and software, you use the license that was > given to you at the time. Thus no problems ensue. I think that means we have no need to worry. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)