From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:51:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54c21d90-8bd6-8723-9e33-d69179b37bd0@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7450"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jporterbugs@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrew Hyatt Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 19 03:51:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB7Q-0001i8-AH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 03:51:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB7G-0005cV-5K; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB7E-0005cC-Rw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:51:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB7E-0001FC-Jk; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:51:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=QFSSVaA9Z1qt6tDLkhenL/HkhackVjxOk3tA6z6Z3Mo=; b=C9j3spOPQ6Ha DiC3r2nIZ6xO7tf9uk57f1B5+uP4DFEXQOrS+fAE+GltooGnpGPDCJlFRo0zYkn7p7GHdIWwruC4Q OIdBkNnE15TSIoa60iJF9dNaB+SAbhLx/morpCMZD1qh2sSGt/yqhMPzLNujSEP2Ll4xYbSotbgae pf9QG1thnRj353TT10nmjabXkuT785l9IBDWQg8fTXBBTDyj4wZeW8gFhAHp56de6CGNVdiCjsrSl xLWuGFEJUDym9rh7BxoGrgmLbMG2mDqv0C5Q6JZp/yu7fCOBA2iBg6fDz8neTeKkO3MhaEbMabHs0 oDd0IgTvoaJe3koaaVIttQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB7E-00075p-BA; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:51:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Wed, 16 Aug 2023 22:48:17 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308906 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There's the "metar" package on GNU ELPA that receives the > weather from the metar system. Wikipedia says that METAR is a format, not a system. Where precsely does that package get the data? Servers run by who? Servers that publish data of public interest are normally NOT SaaSS. (Indeed, most servers are NOT SaaSS.) SaaSS means using a server to do computing that naturally is yours. You ask for some computing to be done, send the input, and get the output back. Services that give you METAR data do computing that you might find useful, but I think that computing isn't specifically yours, so it isn't SaaSS. A brief search didn't find any code for > that, but it might exist. I can't make sense of that. Didn't find any code for what? > The other interesting find was "sql-oracle", as well as other nonfree > similar sql servers in the main emacs lisp. It is a server, although the > interface used is local and mediated by a program. But it is an interface > to a nonfree utility software. There is no warning given, but a message in > `sql--help-docstring' asks the user to consider free alternatives. This sounds like SaaSS to me. Maybe we should add such a warning here. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)