From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: llm Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:49:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54c21d90-8bd6-8723-9e33-d69179b37bd0@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4835"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Fleischer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 19 03:50:38 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB6q-00013S-Ip for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Aug 2023 03:50:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB63-0004xu-9X; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:49:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB5y-0004xB-Fz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:49:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB5x-0000nT-Ul; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:49:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=+82XXUTMaDWLNI/mlapQi56Y5FA6xE3dsjQFgnHVKxc=; b=ro2VPaUruy3x meeonXDqJE7S8Je89H5ErNFSNlwf6yMb7h+vwU+apNM4hGagq6iCpcPJ4mqJ9NdfwvMR++sKsZ1JB 4DRKzEpX11RSAIcyXCrv4g3kNZUlz45NidBchyGsOPEU6XHr2ZiADoQJ95fV+fD0oRbW9uqRODPJd CYkQddN8oR83tIwJ8AfsFe3EMSj9xUiwqVvaJRuwtNoGdThMweJsuJK1aslpfWddncRl+rPgkS7GI goHfqKWK+4WqaC8s3qmpKakxhYO1L9pTmmnKd4a758YSug85CYIPcfX+eQ41xSELZp5G23qBlhIfp lnEENi+JcNTJ2WQGNKHLmw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qXB5w-0006m8-HZ; Fri, 18 Aug 2023 21:49:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Daniel Fleischer on Thu, 17 Aug 2023 20:08:04 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308905 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > In the examples I've heard of, that is never the case. Either they > > are secret -- users can only use them on a server, which is SaaSS, see > > https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html -- > > or they are released under nonfree licenses that restrict freedom 0; > > see https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html. > That is not accurate; LLMs can definitely run locally on your machine. We are slightly miscommunicating. Yes there are models that could run locally on your machine, but all the ones I know of were released under a nonfree license. > Here is an LLM released > under Apache 2 license [0]. I haven't seen this before. Maybe it is an exception. Could you confirm that this is a language model itself, not the program that runs the language model? > There are "black-box" models, served in the > cloud, Could we please not use the term "cloud"? There is no cloud, only various companies' computers. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#CloudComputing. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)