From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#62320: 30.0.50; Thoughts about (info "(emacs) Bugs") Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:42:02 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sfdyoext.fsf@web.de> <83bkkm6v8n.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkklcypz.fsf@web.de> <83wn374mmn.fsf@gnu.org> <87zg7vwpp4.fsf@web.de> <838rff7dwm.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8ii8bo7.fsf@web.de> <83h6tzzzri.fsf@gnu.org> <87pm4nuxlr.fsf@web.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18552"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 62320@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 21 04:43:40 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg7I-0004de-7E for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:43:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg6k-0003RW-Kj; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg6i-0003QD-JQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg6g-0000kd-R7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg6g-0004wg-Iy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:43:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 02:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62320 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 62320-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62320.168990732918923 (code B ref 62320); Fri, 21 Jul 2023 02:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 62320) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jul 2023 02:42:09 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60276 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg5p-0004v9-9Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg5n-0004uv-No for 62320@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg5i-0000Zn-GZ; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:42:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=IYxPUBBPqT1SueOK0M0ozNn2WsPwtyEhhXYKhv27e/A=; b=JWIIKb83qC9N 41KOCc9b7oMfLE8bYwc1fWYFwx10xa57WEpBZeKeUMhNNgwaEIYQd/i8rR+IEx5ow2lkrhwtYW5ns ue91Tx1zcdoNBg9aJjLD0lFNpx27lY+SMGdoe2qq+uwrI0eYJGUoRx8ySzlGz/Lzyt7r4gpx+YAGD 1ELY6eFvZqEaHMdQFu6KQ/xFBha9B0UNYw9CAgT7bh4f8XhXLCmeH+Yd8lQgvQTNbdko8Bb5H33kV 3vDDKVCD0QGiDyzF5uJ39eK6ln4m8CyxmaywAC0sFRVHqMdNMCKofLj3X1oCHBWj6C7f0A8NoX2be 9vGrJg1x3hABZnP2JIO5QQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qMg5i-0003SD-5L; Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:42:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pm4nuxlr.fsf@web.de> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:26:40 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:265647 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > > You also have worked in all my suggestions - apart from the "if > > > > > you know how please load relevant Elisp source files before > > > > > capturing an Elisp backtrace" one - intentionally? > > I remember debating whether it was important enough to have in this > > already very long node. But since now that part is near the end, as a > > kind of "Advanced" section, I added that back. When a node is very long, that doesn't mean we should leave out something useful. Rather, it suggests we should split it up into several shorter nodes. Info's navigation is helpful when nodes are reasonable in size. For long nodes, they are less helpful because they don't help users find interesting _parts_ of a long node. I suggest that any node over 50 lines long is a long node, so it is good to split th enode into several nodes that are reasonable in size. Or at least close. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)