From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Builder, a build system integration for Emacs Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2023 17:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <95980ffc-86e7-ad54-4a20-539d8c6ea5d0@mailo.com> <76e12f7c-335f-476b-ffb3-fd8e8e4ab5d0@mailo.com> <87pm6rx4ea.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wn0ytefw.fsf@gmail.com> <83h6s0n95y.fsf@gnu.org> <83edn4myz4.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5xsmuc0.fsf@gnu.org> <3a315ddd3a25a56c8d6a@heytings.org> <871qiyotwe.fsf@yahoo.com> <84fefa6fb3a04d2b2a54@heytings.org> <87o7m1nvui.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36685"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: gregory@heytings.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 02 23:38:57 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1q5CU4-0009Gz-CP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 23:38:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5CTh-00042p-Rb; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 17:38:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5CTb-0003yt-65 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 17:38:28 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5CTa-0005Lm-M1; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 17:38:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=CwYW2isyCi3VXnHIfrknIcC+zxAnXYFR4oU0g5ydZAY=; b=qXEGiZizYtO6 YZt1IRCQTDPQDGVrU88jYQkAzl1kmoMfp+WL1kQE35hpwBpGKhxFfpQP4sEpaTgxTk/r2bzWlxMJc vbwgrZSIwg/Wxy8fWedtA8mAxVYcz3s5/BxLCdlfvCMNY2kdV0HyYjMloXxwMHTuUD44fnRKDVJFa b1HQhdNoBXXQusttzlHGG9vs4WUxJcnO5oWXI7U4l8tu/XPm8v3hdH7VJDoQZAMpD8C9nOEf/9T3u 6/qMih7BDBu1QZe0ALBgg9R6koG8uCKRVV3tmtwPBoWWFexK9eQ5T1BfR/Pl8L1Ndf0mUJqjkR6YM YIrZsTIPFoIcx4QYkyppiw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1q5CTa-00069B-EF; Fri, 02 Jun 2023 17:38:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o7m1nvui.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 31 May 2023 09:16:53 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306566 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Designers of a language cannot force all users of that language to > > make their software free. That is a red herring. We are not trying to "force" anyone to do aything. The moral issue for us is not about what others do. It is about what WE do. We want to avoid recommending any nonfree programs for installation. Distributing a distro that contains unmodified Cargo and unmodified crates.io virtually includs all the contents of crates.io, including the nonfree package in it. If we do that, WE will be morally responsible for leading users toward using those packages. So we need to avoid doing that. The question is, how can we include Cargo and yet NOT do that? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)