From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: kixtart-mode Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:33:38 -0500 Message-ID: References: <6061-636c2e00-95-57685e00@208106730> <835yfjmits.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1853"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 12 00:34:30 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p4Vq2-0000FI-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 00:34:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VpF-0007uu-FN; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:33:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VpE-0007uk-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:33:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VpD-0008GG-5Q; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:33:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=aWI4xoPjG3BW36veBjpq95RVJHg5bMc3oQlGbYON7ic=; b=iogx9Z6fD36S e715LsuHrXZNy/qns37MISrF/ufEoiIq5dRJ7cl8yc7N7OTW+mUw8MfWlhAH9vjKCJQuZbyYvxLKJ VXb0Ovr94CAQiC7mg5KbR0Nyjz+98giCEcHDiQR2jBDmLwHhXWyuvwVjTY08zGu7nnJn7YvMedk9b 1G1wIskg1J+aGCNvC3ivqc0/d5NX+dA26ywfsG6HVarRuDdr8xD11J0xr25+5B7ZwYALLQUxb1DMJ tk6RgLjovJW4rQm0JPkNCcRQcmVkf70ksXkC33hYP7x06FLysy3xkJ3NkCtatsnSg21kCjgu00iUH o8/Bp0KWxX1Sw3Xs6LCUfQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4VpC-0000bR-UF; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:33:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <835yfjmits.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:09:35 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301175 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There are no scripting languages for MS-Windows that are Free > Software, AFAIK. > > Maybe we can come up with a way to encourage people to choose some > > free and portable scripting language, even when using Windows. > One would have to be written first. That is bad news, but thanks for giving that information. In that situation, we have little possibility of making the situation any better, whatever we might do. Basically, there is nothing here we can hope for except perhaps to make Emacs a little more popular among Windows users. > > Why would someone, on Windows, use SickStart rather than those other > > scripting packages? Does it have some major advantage, for use on > > Windows? > Yes, it has many advantages. (I don't use it, but I've skimmed the > manual.) > > Or is it that Microsoft is going to tell everyone that "SickStart is > > the scripting language for Windows! > KiXtart isn't a Microsoft product, AFAICT. If we want to provide better support in Emacs for some nonfree Windows scripting language, for the same of encouraging use of Emacs on the widely used system Windows, which Windows scripting language should it be? All else being equal, it would be better to support the most widely used Windows scripting language. That would be most effective at the one goal that matters to us here -- encouraging use of Emacs on Windows. All the other goals that some might consider pertinent are part of their wish to "Make use of Windows better and more convenient" using nonfree software. That is not a goal for us! -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)