From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] new package: tramp-docker Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:02:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5674f36a-c276-fd77-b4d2-1525c75a1602@spork.org> <871qrkkrvv.fsf@posteo.net> <874jwd43fw.fsf@posteo.net> <87sfjmljj8.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: zimoun Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 19 19:04:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1olCUW-0008ux-HB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 19:04:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49560 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olCUV-0004gm-AI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:04:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38042) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olCSk-00038M-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:02:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53750) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olCSi-000350-8Y; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:02:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=mBBOA6wR2QKJZzODHndNwaNgcLC+KdQK6TVo+VMyV7U=; b=fOZc8UfjTWtc 2GLMY++YhT8bCbi6N5xpQy2PD+YN9vW7vqDk1Cp5CdI59N1nMuQpJzyuq/usA6wiFNzT0qICXScJ7 OG3yLxZRMN8NFPeSlphtGjtxyBQhlXxyjm7HG+VP6NKL87AARDTXbSFpKm9sbqDr+Ez59o6vIOyRS 42+Yx+AVsIN4hoKjLSqZMrfrgSLkOw7g3QzGIIP6oMxxh2EOeVQ6Nn2xgudBnELqWCzHm8JaGfWE9 u5g10odxVtO6Hkj7wZutLdnNX5Ma0jbtOaDTXzj2Xu9+yNdi8em6dviUOsp2EWE/oKRTDIB/42CyP VjwyG/db3Enh6jKKR0ITrA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1olCSf-0000Jv-Gc; Wed, 19 Oct 2022 13:02:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sfjmljj8.fsf@gmail.com> (message from zimoun on Mon, 17 Oct 2022 14:30:19 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298121 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Alas, the natural consequence is that > > building containers implies a risk of including nonfree software. The > > more packages, the more risk. > > As long as that is the case, we should warn people off of distributing > > containers. > Container is not the issue – it is just a format for packing as tar is. That is true, in a sense, but it is only one abstract part of the truth. I stand by what I said. > GNU Guix produces container images including only free software and not > relying on Docker binary or infrastructure. That is good -- as far as it goes. But most people who build containers to release a free program don't do it with GNU Guix. And I don't think most of them are free software activists. When they release free program this way, the risk is real. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)