From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#58513: describe-function should say that defconst variables are constant Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:51:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87zgdy8ug8.fsf@gnus.org> <8fae3292e6c1b175853b557060d05487@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <87v8om8tok.fsf@gnus.org> <87edva8seu.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfjq7a91.fsf@gnus.org> <875ygl5roe.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2247"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, stefan@marxist.se, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 58513@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 16 22:53:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1okAdE-0000Sv-Ts for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:53:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36340 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okAdD-0005QF-Oa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:53:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49032) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okAd4-0005PG-5v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okAd3-0005Q4-TW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1okAd3-00069Y-Od for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:53:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58513 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 58513-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58513.166595352623586 (code B ref 58513); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 20:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 58513) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 20:52:06 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1okAcA-00068M-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:52:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41586) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1okAc8-00067h-9i for 58513@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:52:04 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okAc1-0005Bu-L0; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:51:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=cDqKvzq1jjyuhstA/NEX0lc3mtX9tHOGeJkoJSqHu0A=; b=eRhwYSB6j4cq jAMM214VTV+nDWWbqVsIHNDLjzmUA6EKXOQ2FNpVVPtpqxhrsSCbRoiqrzCjhlwkoT+OzG/nTbdhY znklhA8zKRChVSatt4vtcJpql+n53/5TlxvzIWIK4UIdWEeGJVAahCG2eCdk9UizhSVNIetUQHdLp +CHauy8NqCJ0Pr12YlnVYakUFv2N7TzsU5rppUAkCJURqFDsR7YGb46USYkaOO18Fwi/TFvBuHXJ2 diBfN6523ozO2big/ilNYhJtVEZjywLz483UAqmD6rONirzAL7xDRfNN/NwW/f1TR0ShGx77tMW+u bBQSM87DFgFsmx7HjyMNTg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1okAc1-0002zQ-D6; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:51:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <875ygl5roe.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:04:17 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:245673 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > And then, in a later Emacs version, we could start enforcing the > constness in running code. defconst has had a subtle meaning: "It is ok to expect, in certain limited ways, that the value will not be altered." Nothing more. This change may seem to be fixing a bug, but some old programs used to take advantage of the actual old meaning. This change might break them. I think that would be asking for trouble, and we have better things to do than deal with that trouble. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)