From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Renaming eglot -- or at least add an alias? Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83pmfdduix.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19023"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 02 03:12:34 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oenWz-0004q7-LZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 03:12:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58368 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oenWy-0007n5-Ld for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:12:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57354) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oenWH-00077y-8f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:11:49 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59748) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oenWG-0000KI-Ue; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:11:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=qTl7lHCvXcZBqVdavD21EKV/xTVMDii5+GLaJQpKwmQ=; b=Rg5n3d4K5qlr 42cri7xQtrr+lyTgePBT8y/I5TY5tiiSy6/N26tHMNiWtQbq7AICtJWJIoc3ZTcc8ilT4fCFtdlBJ YihicfXWhF/N00kbU6sMuU7FJDCuAYmiilNIqshXXbKja+6XMzmy2l+KzFlakWiyJ9XM1dDOm2n0u S1HCup9pmbr3Drgjoj87v4JE+2+IGj1xSzapCvEnT+YI14SOm8TpLuKvtao2jKsQPfqWr80NcQHHk l8MAKx4da+JqYdk1a0CHH/SX13EWYaYEFaMRiOurBvO6pItFmXRb3OZQFIXYqopbbg+4B9FVjUu+y l8+k2lToiEazGmkfMrCWQg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oenWG-0004us-CR; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 21:11:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 01 Oct 2022 10:51:21 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296567 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Now, before including a package in Emacs, is the last good time > > to choose a helpful name. > I don't see any reason why Emacs has to follow Apple's footsteps and > call one of its MUAs "Mail", one of its LSP clients "LSP", etc.. I agree with you about that. The idea of calling it "LSP" did not come from me; that is not a particularly helpful name, anyway. Most users won't know what that means. I said so in the message you're replying to. What I argue for is that we should give it a name that clearly says what job it does. There are many ways to do that. > Emacs is about choice, so while as Emacs maintainers we do spend a fair > bit of time trying to consolidate the various options out there so as to > reduce the need for users to make choices, we should force packages to > be named after their functionality, since that leads to inevitably more > name conflicts. I agree, but I think we're miscommunicating. Can anyone suggest a way to describe the job that Eglot does, NOT using technical jargon, or implementation details such as "LSP"? Would the word "parse" be good? "Code-analyze"? I never used Eglot so I don't know what it does. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)