From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: src/Makefile unhelpful Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:00:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83bkrrj48w.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22311"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 08 05:01:47 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oW7nX-0005ek-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 05:01:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50926 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oW7nW-0000wD-Cx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:01:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oW7mX-0000Ei-Jd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:00:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oW7mX-0004Ni-8v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:00:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=HJB/qEg/c/zGo9lIyZDEsliE5kYFu0Qjo7v6bK+W1Cc=; b=L3XPMJ451ysu RImYNrZk29WL8r78gRTUutQsKexPvKBifHCS/SvoV6Y02JfgSmxC0Dwb3trnLadCx3AyczB/P8ZA7 E5ZqvEwZJ3/eF6D7X5WnGSCj+fVk3gwWnSEL7GYbks5L+mxlCNjM96DI3eq/Vmm6+daFESZar3uz6 fSPqQL6NuRF56x3LO0SE2UeUNYB0dobA5+xQtoGaLBaNnosXwBcW9gpjZnmVs2xhEM3wGLIhOZqFP Qz+XkwC7OJqluhDYZ8RQ620p6gRSSfHkQFzRKjEKvX/SbUx4npllHvTurm8kp4bFO67iUaoiQiw9d 53wHpteLQnq3alZ12vSafQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oW7mW-00063u-8i; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 23:00:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83bkrrj48w.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 07 Sep 2022 05:41:03 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294895 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Anyway, I think it would be useful for each make run to output, for > > debugging, each actual command. It could show each of the usual > > commands once, or (if it isn't hard) only the usual commands that were > > actually executed. To show, for instance, what this expands into: > > > > > > at least if the .c.o rule is ever used. > I think this is rarely needed, so having it silent by default is > better. We may be miscommunicating. My idea is that each make run that runs the command $(AM_V_CC)$(CC) -c $(CPPFLAGS) $(ALL_CFLAGS) $(PROFILING_CFLAGS) at least once, should output _just once_ what that expands into. I agree we do not want to output the expansion more than once. > The way to see the arguments is to say > make V=1 The problem with that solution is that by October I certainly won't remember it. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)