From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8735dn30if.fsf@gmail.com> <87pmgr8m3t.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a67u46ld.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10587"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: relekarpayas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, gregory@heytings.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 26 05:39:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQBc-0002aI-Vr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 05:39:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49440 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQBb-0006kQ-Tq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:39:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51950) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9O-000432-9v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42940) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9N-0001LX-Ve; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=fVzyQHiPBK9seKyHL9Awv9YIlVVG3fuF1xox30/NjgM=; b=HrY4QpAf7sok eVJ0Np4zythCU97m0Z4DlkOGz10xTbmzd7Zm5GmxTeGnX2zCRtyyx4V8JD54fCFhem1T+6vTCSnYp Hkwh96jLyP3So5ax9xoyI1lQ+ouv5dUi3mApXu9xhU6BuIrfOfNvw6q+32tkbD99yE/wZdDM1WR6e GB8tXHc+u7KmIt+dXFS3/9V9JOfveYa0dh0vGwHP2D+dzBSZlFrRho+HVUY9wDgoTC3v+BJqg9g9o ruldY5s7e1xvWCtsXmYQBJ4peJUfr/EMr43+mxUPeMeCqZ7pGTb7lAOVVVjHsxk5LIft/LXdJVhGz 2ar6WDShw4cfVIJF8ZxxZw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRQ9N-0008Ee-G0; Thu, 25 Aug 2022 23:36:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87a67u46ld.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:18:38 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:294123 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > That sounds like a serious flaw in Wayland. Would its developers > > want to fix it? > Probably not. Why not? > The most glaring one is the inability to position toplevel windows > manually, for "security reasons". I don't quite understand -- what does it mean, concretely, to "position toplevel windows manually"? What are "toplevel windows" in this context? Is an Emacs frame a toplevel window? Does this mean that the user can't move an Emacs frame on the screen? > I thought it was because the Wayland people have a philosophical > objection to programs knowing anything about the coordinate system in > use. What coordinate system is this about? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)