From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: gmail+SMTP(only) (oauth2) Date: Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wnek5d9c.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <25220.7965.62342.930867@orion.rgrjr.com> <87v8u1znmi.fsf@mat.ucm.es> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6012"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rogers-emacs@rgrjr.homedns.org, oub@mat.ucm.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Uwe Brauer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 23 00:59:24 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nsuXk-0001MH-HT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 May 2022 00:59:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35194 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsuXj-00079J-0o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 22 May 2022 18:59:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsuX6-0006Tu-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsuX5-0002jd-25; Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=cYQahz70mlma+W1UX04F+j4ATSlHk0+yW4lBunLbKF8=; b=e90yQinbiimw U49h8PXrimcuZ0RAAP+Xd0//+xjTykyHPM9pkf3NiawF68M+NWrsRv4Wain1htuYjR+FapIAniBk4 axzV578gcZ+TD6yOMUpoKY/mVXgZJEKd3yhAg/wOU0NO27Pk2fGYsTbmiCKzICV0KXAHXW4HsYF9B 3MEMQZ2T7Mt8T/6QiDkOwITUfneH5r5ZgrCRnwMb0KN0xZfHqMF7O2XOc8Sz5kfV/nMLDhErbY0TH 8ruuWrMWDxR8/SGtkuaQqSL/NLqFRIYFUbs5nEocFDJjMJd71cUydT2j9CWimWesYwwLuTW7fuVQF GUcA0N4ObQjVcuFLS/cNKQ==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nsuX2-0004kv-Jl; Sun, 22 May 2022 18:58:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87v8u1znmi.fsf@mat.ucm.es> (message from Uwe Brauer on Thu, 19 May 2022 14:57:09 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290108 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Do schools and employers ever require that you _send_ them mail > > from the Google account you're ordered to use? > I can only speak for my university and the answer is «Yes» it does do, > and that is the core of the problem. Have you tried sending these "official" messages to them on paper by snail mail? It will be difficult for the university to claim that a paper letter was not received. If Correos has a service where the recipient has to sign for the letter, even better. Staff might vent anger at you, but it may be hard for them to do anything to you. This is clearly sufficient for the university to prove you sent it. Once they can't actually punish you, you can offer negotiate some other digital method to use, one that is ethical for you and that they can handle easily enough in practice. You could send such messages in both ways in parallel. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)