From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 29.0.50 Snapshot binaries for WIndows Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83ley7z1u4.fsf@gnu.org> <87h78ukvgj.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25219"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, eliz@gnu.org, corwin@bru.st, emacs-devel@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 21 05:36:22 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Qv-0006N5-PY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 05:36:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38526 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Qu-0007Lh-Au for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:36:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Pu-0005Q3-Jh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=42448 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Pt-0004PF-O1; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:35:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=P1/fJLjt55hAGKdBniqdNoFRUbOmgXQjr9phIPME/AM=; b=ZNPC3DK0JB6Y yMcbnJzviMU+YvdzsEmOQlWXJ3WF9gb3KzmVrShNhhb/O0rOH7ss23ji2uua1D5IM575dirFBttws zPdoIw+IeBmdT1pQcxgbOOastd+2r0Ifdfw8YFDlu/hsA2f9cvT95LbTajmjUVHce9YFEMNv9kSG/ 2w1EstNj3XR6AzJn7y4BV+eAhLGkxUGFPsP6oM7krSPDB2WSrHGKwTU8d3RZzafzoMn4RPW2JPZYp Ha4Qn0jCJtQ1JoT0GO77YQbWKmG7Hk7/LJ0uk2O2cARlVLFV3Nb+C5vge+3c/BFTRj8E1vn1hF6Cs lGoDlO6+aiGrVf3Jj2IM7g==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Pt-0008Sb-FC; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:35:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87h78ukvgj.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sun, 20 Feb 2022 12:34:04 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286546 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The "snapshot" releases are apparently something else. How are they > > different from the Windows binaries volunteers have made in the past? > They aren't made from releases but from copies ("snapshots") of the > development tree. Thanks. Now I know concretely what the issue is, and I can draw some conclusions. The issue is a matter of the priorities of our project. We should not be catering to Windows (or MacOS, or any nonfree system) more than we cater to the GNU system, because GNU and the Free World get priority on principle. If people using versions the GNU system have no need for snapshots like these (perhaps because they are all happier compiling the sources themselves, as some have suggested), then then these snapshots don't raise a moral issue. But if in fact users of some GNU/Linux distros would like this kind of snapshot too, we should provide this sort of help on those distros before we provide it on Windows. It's not a matter of _who_ does the work, it's a matter of which work gets done. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)