From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 29.0.50 Snapshot binaries for WIndows Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:34:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23903"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de, eliz@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Corwin Brust Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Feb 21 05:36:08 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Qi-000602-C5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Feb 2022 05:36:08 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37842 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0Qh-0006to-34 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:36:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0PI-00059P-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:34:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=42400 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0PH-00046X-7G; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:34:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=/b5ObQSqKPBUEoyY3Mpo/fA5Qeg4dMKyyoGqWySC7E4=; b=QaPEQYnefPGI pQA+rR7J1a1btmbhkHVt40675/VVxx8+RhfnVtCC5mtT/kVXHG+j7hDkxLWdK2SurLpftVTGiclc5 fI+mDrfAfPvBPlalz+nIGA9d0/DgDipGwEidZKg8Yw5sBYs7dA9HK7ssVMPjtHNVo/WXTvQxo1fge 6jqK13tf43FeTZLYRcjgZL/8J4nI/tvQ6jM+AJQddqPf4CSySxGVbLW1MJWnmexWFG11VI692f6WK ZO2WR1irSeoNNoBv8w0h+0U9UQYUk2QI6/ShDedcTL6cbYKGGZ5imgfGL6G3YHiFJubZIG7Q7+GeN i5MSnfp/P+h3bklBJfwBgg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nM0P8-0008HN-6s; Sun, 20 Feb 2022 23:34:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Corwin Brust on Sat, 19 Feb 2022 05:14:09 -0600) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:286545 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So, if we try to make snapshots for GNU/Linux, we are likely "chasing > the tail" of efforts happening (and which, indeed, should be > happening) nearer to users' explicitly trusted sources/controls (for > example, when taking in pre-built versions of Emacs' dependencies for > their platform, when not building those from sources). I see your point. However, I have a feeling that you're focusing on the free GNU/Linux distros that we do or could recommend. (Please correct me if I'm mistaken.) If that is true, what is the situation with the most popular GNU/Linux distros, such as Ubuntu? We avoid suggesting people use those. But, many people use Ubuntu despite its nonfree software, just as many do use Windows despite its nonfree software. Are Emacs snapshots superfluous for Ubuntu? Is this the case for Ubuntu? > So, if we try to make snapshots for GNU/Linux, we are likely "chasing > the tail" of efforts happening (and which, indeed, should be > happening) nearer to users' explicitly trusted sources/controls This idea might be a good one: > A second, and likely compatible/interconnected idea to document > "recipies" for self-building Emacs, perhaps putting such a document > into admin/README.SNAPSHOT-DISTRO. If that does the same good as making snapshots, but is less work, we may as well take the easy way. One question about basic info. Could you tell me more about the Windows snapshots that are being made? What sources are they being made from, and when? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)