From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87sfulx86y.fsf@telefonica.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38246"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 04:46:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F3v-0009hH-9e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 04:46:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53908 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F3u-0005Mi-AP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:46:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F17-0007wi-Q0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=41478 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F17-0000Fv-BO; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=55ZJ+H6ME3rrggNxP9l+Jy9FVPz0vAOalH5G/jr8Ftg=; b=H88yjjM+Cjhu HGgPHztGCzU2pWTEMqh+2aB1hHwZw5DQ/0IecIoJYmmICwOfU2yq/t6fxr9EVFYXiJ6gty84RmHwD iKJIwEMmyyv3AyUU66WXb8y9gk1Zj0NBHGUbqyIFAmddAk1ZqyNFF0et4phRBoZ6GtFsF78puXIl5 EnY1rhGle8L0/V8avSW7VZSX08b7RKyfv0QQsU86qsovpaHawRTi92Q3GjETYk5njwZRfiAjDbPr/ WoF550kFFd2/kFBfEi6HEqp44s5j5te0i0kxd+VjCE3OGsUaG944eIAyFe8gfTDIncoWWVFzsLAfZ Q5s3KxSXF/fumngHnUkrHg==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0F17-00085H-HG; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 22:43:45 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87sfulx86y.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes on Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:09:09 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282864 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Some of those old platforms are among the most important ones > > because they allow operation without the Intel Management Engine > > (or AMD's counterpart to that). > Aren't there modern machines without this? Machines that are much more > performant, reliable and secure than those old ones, which usually are > tied to an unsupported OS full of security defects? Not that I've heard of. Every so often I check whether there has been progress. > Have we checked lately if those machines that we purport to support are > able to run anything more complex than `emacs -Q'? I check this all day, every day. > > Our principles say we must do our best to encourage people to use a > > free compiler if that is at all possible. If the only C17 compiler > > for a platform is nonfree, we must support using GCC instead. > Nobody suggested using anything else than GCC. Your general demand would, under some circumstances, imply that. > I'm having the feeling that a good chunk of participants on this ml are > unwittingly but firmly commited to confine Emacs to the same > retro-computing world they live in. Your verbal aggression is very unkind, and makes discussing with you unpleasant. We don't need your approval or agreement, so the aggression won't win you anything. Please try to follow the GNU Kind Communication Guidelines, https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html. Cooperating, to whatever extent we have goals in common, will be much easier if you do that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)