From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : New key binding syntax Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87bl3jjdfw.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf2mwl68.fsf@posteo.net> <874k99f8ev.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfwtrttu.fsf@posteo.net> <87mtn1cdbh.fsf@gnus.org> <87o87hrte4.fsf@posteo.net> <878rylccyi.fsf@gnus.org> <87fssssz57.fsf@posteo.net> <87v91oc49k.fsf@gnus.org> <877de2a746.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf2d5obc.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee82r8p0.fsf@gnus.org> <87v91dnsxg.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35020"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 16 05:07:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmpki-0008uQ-DZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 05:07:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55498 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmpkg-0006hR-DW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:07:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmpir-0005Em-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:05:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=60010 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmpip-0007gS-OG; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:05:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=lu1WDGaVvQx8ghNhz9Y4h7XJDBJgFAmJAv8JbLr7tl0=; b=h88Bu0LTNRNU 7t4W4+aPLxfgeDWO2WQKuwaXA+M7JI6bbdwi15VRJLG4gXeFrqoJoWuQzHpe08k2iXtxknyrobvBs 7Q7MtAKe/Kqb4YZxag6MZcDm1RPCrx2LlbG64P7A/AIJU/PbCEgKChGY0YaILMaV7SCmNpZpDDAcJ yumd9FqWo+MKEE+Ne3rsoMDHgdvWsl/C6shzGnMgKcs3EZmWHRDckylaFsojskpQ17Mkj5+XRuIwP rDXYOPB4BD7aJ90U6ZOeoCUmCNmTQkqW+cktKYCsjx0ZnSQlbuGup17isAXFEKhxazBeEDK0FJYro zHc5aj346cZ8Yej5yo69YA==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmpip-0007Xk-Lf; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 23:05:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 13 Nov 2021 18:47:13 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279529 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I also wonder if there could be confusion between M-RET > > and M- if the former can be written M-ret and > > the latter can me written M-return. > There's no confusion. (And the former cannot be written > M-ret.) As long as we keep the rule that the special control character names must be upper case, and function key names must be lower-case, I think it will avoid confusion. I think someone proposed to eliminate that rule. > PS. Of course, if we cared deeply about readability we would write instead: > Alt + Return If we stick to that rule, we would want to write `alt' and `return'. Allowing spaces inside a single key name would definitely be confusing as long as space separates keys in a key sequence. But we could allow `alt-return' as an alternative to `a-return'. I see no benefit in allowing `+' as a synonym for `-'. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)