From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some improvements for cl-flet Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2021 19:33:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87bl4zqnqn.fsf@gmail.com> <87czpe4rj2.fsf@web.de> <874kaqqxe7.fsf@gmail.com> <87y281cowz.fsf@web.de> <87sfxdr2ds.fsf@gmail.com> <877demdb5w.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24232"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: akater Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 10 01:34:53 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mZLrg-00063M-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 01:34:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56798 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZLre-0006pM-E6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 19:34:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51834) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZLqa-0005Qt-6w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 19:33:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZLqZ-0004ZU-Rh; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 19:33:43 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mZLqZ-0002s8-0N; Sat, 09 Oct 2021 19:33:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: <877demdb5w.fsf@gmail.com> (message from akater on Sat, 09 Oct 2021 05:23:07 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276626 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Both macrolet and symbol-macrolet (and flet as well) are indispensable in > macros. macrolet is effectively a built-in code-walker and code transformer, > the most powerful functionality accessible to end user in CL and likely in > Elisp as well. symbol-macrolet is comparable (it can be used to achieve > effects that can't be achieved with macrolet). I don't see anything problematical about `cl-macrolet'. But `cl-symbol-macrolet' is really bizarre -- it undermines fundamental assumptions of Lisp. Would you be willing to explain what special effects `cl-symbol-macrolet' can achieve? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)