From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do shorthands break basic tooling (tags, grep, etc)? (was Re: Shorthands have landed on master) Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:20:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <871r534s2o.fsf@gmail.com> <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30631"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, acm@muc.de, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 05 23:27:45 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXryS-0007iV-W1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 23:27:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51572 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXryQ-00085h-Og for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:27:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40424) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXrru-0006cj-PD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:20:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56038) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXrru-0006cI-Hh; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:20:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXrrq-0006gr-OE; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:20:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sfxgx09x.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=C3?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= on Mon, 04 Oct 2021 16:44:26 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276393 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > * C-h o and similar commands _could_ theoretically be changed to > complement that list of symbols with the list of shorthands to symbols > of the buffer. > That would be a non-trivial effort and would bring grave confusion. I don't see that it would cause grave confusion. > That's because, as you have well written elsewhere, the Lisp reader > follows 's-foo' to 'string-library-foo' on this buffer but may follow > it to 'system-library-foo' in another buffer. That is true. If the extension I proposed for C-h o is made, then C-h o s-foo RET would present info on 'string-library-foo' in one buffer, and about 'system-library-foo' in another buffer. But if the help buffer explains this clearly, it will make sense to the user, and it will be useful. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)