From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <83y27bbs4d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtnr3chk.fsf@gmail.com> <8735pj3amy.fsf@gmail.com> <83r1d3boeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilyfbj9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee93bhma.fsf@gnu.org> <834k9zbezg.fsf@gnu.org> <83v92f9um9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10653"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, joaotavora@gmail.com, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 04 02:16:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBeO-0002YQ-UU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 02:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34546 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBeM-00008X-Ue for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:16:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41436) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBeE-00005q-8I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51820) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBeD-0002Xo-Ut for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBeD-0001JY-Qe for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:16:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 00:16:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.16333065034968 (code B ref 50959); Mon, 04 Oct 2021 00:16:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 00:15:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35127 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBd9-0001Gz-6k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBd7-0001Gl-Hz for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60090) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBd0-0001V5-Je; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXBcz-0005M5-MF; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:14:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83v92f9um9.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 02 Oct 2021 20:58:22 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216318 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We are talking at cross-purposes. You are talking about the > underlying mechanism; I'm talking about the user's experience. From > the UX POV, it is unexpected to be unable to get help about a > symbol-like thing the user sees in the buffer. I agree. We should implement doing the right thing with these cases, or at least whatever thing is the most right that we can come up with. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)