Requesting a paid version of Emacs

Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[James Lu]

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I love org-mode. I've tried tons of alternatives, but org-mode is the best.

However, using its features is often arcane. The manuals are sparse and
poor.

I request a $15/month support tier for org-mode.

This model could be extended to Emacs as a whole. Some of the money could
be used to pay maintainers, others for support personnel, others to the FSF.

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Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[James Lu]

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Furthermore, most of the sync solutions for org-mode recommend proprietary
Dropbox or Google Drive. Both of these take some effort to set up. I would
expect a paid Emacs to come with a free software sync service.

On Wed, Feb 24, 2021 at 10:48 AM James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love org-mode. I've tried tons of alternatives, but org-mode is the best.
>
> However, using its features is often arcane. The manuals are sparse and
> poor.
>
> I request a $15/month support tier for org-mode.
>
> This model could be extended to Emacs as a whole. Some of the money could
> be used to pay maintainers, others for support personnel, others to the FSF.
>

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Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[dick.r.chiang]

I'll do it for $14/month.

Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Ag Ibragimov]

https://orgmode.org/worg/donate.html

On Wed 24 Feb 2021 at 09:48, James Lu <jamtlu@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love org-mode. I've tried tons of alternatives, but org-mode is the best.
>
> However, using its features is often arcane. The manuals are sparse and
> poor.
>
> I request a $15/month support tier for org-mode.
>
> This model could be extended to Emacs as a whole. Some of the money could
> be used to pay maintainers, others for support personnel, others to the FSF.

Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Richard Stallman]

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  > Furthermore, most of the sync solutions for org-mode recommend proprietary
  > Dropbox or Google Drive.

Dropbox and Google Drive are services, not programs.  The distinction
of "proprietary" or "free" does not apply to them, at least not
straightforwardly.  We define exactly what it means to say a program
is proprietary, but I don't know what it means to say that a service
is proprietary.  Would you please explain what it is you mean in this
case?

Our moral requirement is not to recommend running any nonfree
software.  It is possible -- I don't know -- that these solutions
involve running some nonfree software.  If so, we should not recommend
them in Emacs or in Org mode.

Is there text in Emacs, or in Org mode, which recommends these?  If
so, we should check the facts about them.  Could you please show me
that text, and say precisely where it is published?  With that info we
could start checking.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:31:21 -0500, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> said:

    Richard> Is there text in Emacs, or in Org mode, which recommends these?  If
    Richard> so, we should check the facts about them.  Could you please show me
    Richard> that text, and say precisely where it is published?  With that info we
    Richard> could start checking.

There is no text in Emacs or Org mode recommending the use of either
Dropbox or Google Drive.

Robert
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Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Richard Stallman]

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  > There is no text in Emacs or Org mode recommending the use of either
  > Dropbox or Google Drive.

That's good.  Thanks for checking.

Can anyone tell me what these "sync solutions" are

  > Furthermore, most of the sync solutions for org-mode recommend proprietary
  > Dropbox or Google Drive.

and where they are to be found?



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Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Matt Armstrong]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > There is no text in Emacs or Org mode recommending the use of either
>   > Dropbox or Google Drive.
>
> That's good.  Thanks for checking.
>
> Can anyone tell me what these "sync solutions" are
>
>   > Furthermore, most of the sync solutions for org-mode recommend proprietary
>   > Dropbox or Google Drive.
>
> and where they are to be found?

This is probably a reference to Org Mobile:

File: org.info,  Node: Org Mobile,  Prev: Org Crypt,  Up: Miscellaneous

or just https://orgmode.org/manual/Org-Mobile.html

All Org does is read/write to a local directory, with the expectation
that other programs will do the same.  The job of those other programs
is to move the files to/from a mobile device.

For example, there is an iPhone app called MobileOrg
(https://github.com/MobileOrg/mobileorg), released under the GPL, that
works with this protocol.  It supports file synchronization over WebDAV,
Dropbox, and Apple iCloud.

https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/mobileorg has a bit more info (including
mention of some Android options).

Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Richard Stallman]

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  > https://orgmode.org/worg/donate.html

It appears to suggest three methods of payment.
I know that PayPal requires running nonfree JS code.
Can someone check the other two, GitHub and Liberapay?

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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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Re: Requesting a paid version of Emacs

[Richard Stallman]

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  > For example, there is an iPhone app called MobileOrg
  > (https://github.com/MobileOrg/mobileorg), released under the GPL, that
  > works with this protocol.  It supports file synchronization over WebDAV,
  > Dropbox, and Apple iCloud.

This is a borderline ethical case: the source code of that application
is free, but its executable is not free in a practical sense,
since the iMonster operating system restricts the installation
of modified versions.

Could someone ask the maintainer of that manual to talk with me about
how to handle this case?

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Dr Richard Stallman
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Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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