From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#44973: Add a macOS global hotkey function Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:15:20 -0500 Message-ID: References: <874kkw9gmq.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfdrhj4e.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtxvi5lt.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7nwbpds.fsf@gnu.org> <8735zf4wp7.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40486"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 44973@debbugs.gnu.org, j@mremus.net To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 06:16:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1BB-000APL-OZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 06:16:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1BA-0005tl-Ok for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:16:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60546) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1Ax-0005sd-GR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:16:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:59904) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1Aw-0002kx-Jg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:16:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1Aw-00031E-FK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:16:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 05:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 44973 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 44973-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B44973.160991013411565 (code B ref 44973); Wed, 06 Jan 2021 05:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 44973) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2021 05:15:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1AT-00030S-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:15:33 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1AT-00030G-0b for 44973@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:15:33 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1AN-0002Q3-DK; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:15:27 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kx1AG-0005pC-HL; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:15:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8735zf4wp7.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 05 Jan 2021 09:25:24 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:197410 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] You and Eli gave two analyses of the nature of this change: Eli: > w32-register-hot-key allows a consistent UX across platforms > _inside_Emacs_. Your changes, AFAIU, aims at using Emacs as a way to > work around problems in the OS WM, not in Emacs running on that OS. Lars: > Since this brings up the Macos version of Emacs into feature parity with > what you can do in GNU/Linux and Windows, If Lars is right, it is ok to install. If Eli is right, it should not be installed. So it's a matter of which of those two is right. I have no idea. But you can compare notes and figure out. Is it possible that, in some way, both are right? If so, this is a strange situation and worth deeper study. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)