From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2021 01:03:00 -0500 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <43b24209-fa65-0e26-7cbd-f99175a7ffd8@gmx.at> <87wnx7j5is.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83im8qnyca.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="40567"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, juri@linkov.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 03 07:06:09 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kvwWn-000ASG-PT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 07:06:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43138 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvwWm-0000o9-RN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 01:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvwTr-0006E8-PQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 01:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37732) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvwTr-0004JM-4h; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 01:03:07 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kvwTk-0000dx-PM; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 01:03:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 02 Jan 2021 09:06:35 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262348 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > After this is included in a release, we can ask users > > to try the value t for a week or two and tell us whether they like it. > > Then we can tell which default is best. > This is not practical, IME. I beg to differ. Adoption of a new release by users is > very slow; I wouldn't be surprised if a year passed before major > distros made a new release their main one. E.g., we are still getting > bug reports from people who use Emacs 25 and even 24, let alone 26, > although Emacs 27.1 was released 5 months ago. That is true, but it may not be a problem. To get useful results, we don't need most of the community to switch. It is enough to get answers from a variety of users. I suggested asking users to try the value t for a week or two. (See quotation above.) That means, a user should not be too quick to reject the new setting; give the new feature a try for 10-15 days to see if it grows on you. Likewise, we should not be in a hurry about getting the answers. We can wait a few months if necessary while accumulating users' responses. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)