From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:54:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6uenlsy.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17215"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 17 06:56:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kpmH9-0004Mz-So for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 06:56:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51466 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpmH8-0007I8-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:56:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpmEv-00053F-Ug for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:54:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45669) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kpmEt-0007Jo-TF; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:54:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kpmEs-0005BI-Eo; Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:54:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87a6uenlsy.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:26:53 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261084 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > So here's an idea. We could make Emacs display, where the toolbar > > would have been, a question: > > > > Would you like a toolbar here or not? Yes No > > > > If you click Yes, that customizes to permanently turn on the toolbar. > > If you click No, that customizes to permanently turn off the toolbar. > I think that sounds slightly intrusive... Why would it be more intrusive than the toolbar currently is? It would occupy the same screen area. > but we certainly could have > something in the menu area for that: A mouse-3 popup that switches the > toolbar on/off, for instance. Yes, we could do that, but it would not encourage people to actually answer the question. > > Each one could offer to click on a web page where you could > > register your preference. That way we would get a complete sample. > I'm not very enthusiastic about that -- it smacks a bit of > "telemetry". That is a misjudgment. There is nothing wrong with inviting the user to communicate. > We don't want Emacs to be seen as a piece of software that > "phones home" and leaks data. I agree, but what I am proposing is not that. > In the mega-thread about modernising Emacs, the common refrain was that > we needed actual data on what users do. We now have some data, and I > don't think we should just dismiss that data because of statistical > quibbles. My suggestion will get us very good data about this question. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)