From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:16:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> <20201017054446.GW11061@protected.rcdrun.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20727"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, dgutov@yandex.ru To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 06:17:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kU08n-0005Ez-K1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 06:17:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33542 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU08m-0004Yf-Gz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:17:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55496) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU07h-0003Yz-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:16:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU07h-0001J0-8j; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kU07g-00019l-Cv; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:16:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thibaut Verron on Sat, 17 Oct 2020 08:42:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257993 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] 1. Looking for free password managers on GNU/Linux makes sense, and perhaps developing another would be useful. However, neither of these possibly useful activities directly affects the ethical issue of leading users to use lastpass. 2. If and when the free password managers are miles above lastpass, it could happen that no one has a rational use for lastpass except due to habit. If and when that happens, perhaps people could modify the Lisp package for using lastpass so that it clearly informs users, that lastpass is not worth even trying and they should instead try the free password managers X, Y, Z. 3. Once that change is, perhaps that Lisp package would be so unlikely to lead anyone to use lastpass that we would have no reason to worry about informing users about its existence. In particular, it would not be a flaw in MELPA that MELPA contains it. 4. However, each of the other programs in MELPA that depends on a nonfree program would be a separate issue. 5. If someday MELPA contains no programs that might lead users to use a nonfree program, another one might be added at any time. As long as the MELPA maintainers say it is ok to add such packages, we have to suppose that more such packages may be added. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)