From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:13:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016191758.GK11061@protected.rcdrun.com> <86b80c47-873b-5e83-cea0-5ac1927f0015@yandex.ru> <20201016200305.GO11061@protected.rcdrun.com> <86d01h58ul.fsf@gmail.com> <83zh4ksuee.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11898"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: andrewjmoreton@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , ams@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 06:15:57 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kU06u-00031E-Ma for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 06:15:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57900 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU06t-0002p0-P0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:15:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54876) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU04k-000147-Rk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU04k-0008TM-Bd; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kU04e-0000YP-AW; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:13:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83zh4ksuee.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 17 Oct 2020 19:13:13 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257992 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Since these discussions never lead to any useful or even practical > results, I wish people could stop trying convince one another on such > "on-topic" subjects. People shouldn't bring up abstract questions here which are not relevant to Emacs development decisions. Please, everyone, don't discuss such topics here. But often nontechnical questions of our values and goals come up precisely because they are pertinent to the paqctical decision at hand. Then these questions are on-topic for the list. But they are not questions of personal opinion if the GNU Project has a position on them. When people state assertions which conflict with GNU Project policies or principles, we need to present an authoritative response. I will do that eventually, but I am typically more than a day behind. Alfred knows our policies and principles, and he often gets there long before me. That is useful. But often his messages don't state that they are authoritative. So people may think he is just stating a personal opinion, and argue. Alfred, when you state GNU Project policies and principles, perhaps you should say explicitly that "This is the GNU Project's position?" Also, could you refer to published statements of same? That could make your statements more effective. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)