From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:09:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32265"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, bugs@gnu.support, rms@gnu.org, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 18:11:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTSKF-0008ID-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:11:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56184 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTSKE-0002mH-OM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:11:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45968) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTSIP-0001Ai-2k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:09:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35728) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTSIN-0006uV-0U; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:09:31 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kTSIK-0000C5-TC; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 12:09:29 -0400 In-reply-to: <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 16 Oct 2020 15:17:16 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257828 Archived-At: When a survey purposefully omits a well-known and popular option, it is going to discount a sizable portion of our community, and ignore a project that has done a lot to popularize Emacs over the years. Only that wasn't what was being suggested, rather there where two solution purposed to solve that issue (either freeform text, or a disclaimer about why MELPA isn't recommended). And just because a different project popularizes a GNU project, doesn't mean that it must automatically be supported -- specially if there are ethical and moral reasons to not. I think it's both insulting to its developers, and stinks of thought police. Far from the idea of user freedom I hope to expect from GNU and FSF. What users do, and what the GNU or the FSF does are quite different things -- the GNU project and the FSF try to protect that users have the freedom, with that comes a responsibility to users to not point them towards software that is non-free. What users do, is up to them. That is neither insulting, or being thought police -- the GNU project has a specific goal, somethings are simply not related to it, or against it.