From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> <20201016142436.187b8210@argon> <20201016152523.6fdfef65@argon> <6142a27f-c53b-35bf-1038-5f047395e868@yandex.ru> <20201016204531.77fab05b@argon> <725aa7c4-321f-4483-5a21-a148ff7f119b@yandex.ru> <20201016213312.603595fe@argon> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32447"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, dgutov@yandex.ru To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 16 17:53:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTS3C-0008Ja-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 17:53:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52354 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTS3B-0005vM-2R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:53:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTS16-0004el-QX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:51:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35229) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTS10-0004UH-Fe; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:51:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kTS0u-0003Nc-MN; Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:51:30 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Thibaut Verron on Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:58:14 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257827 Archived-At: > > And picking on 2-3 "ideologically impure" packages (out of several > > thousands!) that are distributed on MELPA is counter-productive. > > We could turn this argument around and ask why the developers who > maintain MELPA don't remove `2-3' packages that promote non-free > software. I sincerely hope it doesn't happen. We should all hope that it does, since such software is bad, one way that is being done is with the non-GNU ELPA archive. Also, is the goal of the GNU project to deny users the right to run the software they want or need? Or is it to give them a choice of free options to replace non-free software? The goal of the GNU project is to replace all non-free sofware, since any non-free software is unjust. That means, we do not want to recommend users to install any kind of non-free software. This isn't the same thing as prohibiting users what they can do on their own accord, but rather that the project goal is to eliminate an injustice being done to all computer users. And with that means that we do not want to do anything that would work against our goals. Having those packages removed would make it more difficult to use non-free software, but it would do nothing to improve the power of free software. That may be so, but recommending users to use non-free software would be worse -- it would be immoral and unethical.