From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:46:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <24436.53239.437810.270641@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2kpf74o.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24333"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, raman@google.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 19:47:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kP870-0006Dr-CM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 19:47:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60316 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP86z-00048F-DT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:47:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42720) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP860-0002pI-RQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:46:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44075) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kP860-0006M2-Ho; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:46:52 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kP85r-0001w1-6K; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:46:45 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Thibaut Verron on Sun, 4 Oct 2020 19:32:16 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257044 Archived-At: I don't have a computer at hand to test, but I wouldn't be too surprised if sending SIGINT to an emacs process called save-buffers-kill-emacs. SIGINT to Emacs calls keyboard-quit. In any case, C-z can display a message guiding the user to the proper key sequence. And one could argue that C-c could show such a message too(without breaking anything). C-c doesn't interrupt Emacs; so having it show a message would be missleading to the user. I don't understand. What would be misleading in a message "To quit emacs, type C-x C-c"? Why should that be shown for a key that is not only unrelated to C-x C-c but also used for an entierly different purpose? The issue with C-z is that one is modifying its behaviour slightly from what users already expect, i.e. suspending Emacs. Showing a message that C-z no longer suspends Emacs, but if you press z or C-z again it will do that is being helpful. In ten years time, maybe that message can be removed.