From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Opening Up More Keymaps Re: Standardizing more key bindings? Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:53 -0400 Message-ID: References: <24436.53239.437810.270641@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <24436.58187.698211.262192@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> <83362yisgn.fsf@gnu.org> <83y2kpf74o.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7473"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: raman@google.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 05:40:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kOut2-0001oi-2w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 05:40:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56768 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOut1-0000KY-0R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:40:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54808) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOurP-00073M-DL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kOurO-0008Fd-LK; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kOurN-0004au-HA; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 23:38:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83y2kpf74o.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 02 Oct 2020 09:56:39 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257003 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I understand. However, suspending Emacs is a very infrequent > operation these days, what with most everyone working in a windowed > environment. It is not "very" infrequent, when running Emacs on a tty. It is somewhat infrequent. It wouldn't bother me to type the character twice on those occasions. However, C-z and C-c are the standard ways to get out of a program, and if neither of them works, people will get trapped in it. If C-z C-z is the way to suspend, and the first C-z (when it echoes) displays a message such as "To suspend Emacs, type C-z again now", I think that will enable people to get out. C-x C-z is not adequate for this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)