From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:21:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31376"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 20 08:23:00 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJskW-00083L-DC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:23:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51310 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJskV-0007u2-ER for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57658) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJsjY-00074w-2r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:22:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59285) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJsjX-0000Bp-P1; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kJsjW-0004gt-SJ; Sun, 20 Sep 2020 02:21:59 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Andrea Corallo on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:26:28 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256233 Archived-At: > If the few paragraphs on the splash screen are deemed "too much > information" then why would they read any other page?! > > Lets not assume that users are that lazy ... IMO is quite a realistic scenario, so I'll assume that. >From my experience, that is absolutley not the case. It is the first step to the tutorial, and the manual. > We are talking about the splash screen, not a menu. The suggestion > (as I understood it) was to replace the splash screen with a wizard if > and only if there was no .emacs (or similar). Then do magic to > somehow keep track if a user had "picked" a provided configuration > (vanilla, different, or configuration wizard) of Emacs. Only then, > would you get the current splash screen when you start emacs. > > That is a strange behaviour, and very much annoying one to keep track > of. Sorry I have hard time imaging experienced users regularly using the splash screen to open files, I find surprising this is your experience. I use it all the time when I'm extra lazy or showing new users to use emacs. It is sometimes easier to use the mouse when you're already using the mouse; the benefit is also that you get the file dialog which you do not get when you do find-file. Ditto with the menu bar, which has its uses.