From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:09:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="38589"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 17:10:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJeVD-0009xR-Br for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:10:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43226 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJeVC-0007M1-E5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJeUL-0006ts-3v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:09:21 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46023) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJeUK-0000FQ-Pm; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:09:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kJeUK-00071F-AE; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:09:20 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:25:48 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256180 Archived-At: > I, for one, would be happy to have a one-click option to set a bunch > of reasonable defaults whenever I start Emacs on a new device. > > And using the splash screen, that exact possibility is also there. So > nothing is lost. Yes, something is lost. No matter how you go about doing it, it is clear that it will be significantly less visible. That's the entire reason why you are arguing for it, if I understand correctly. What is lost exactly? You have the _exact_ same information, plus some (that of a on-click setup). Having a special new-user dialog would be a loss in information since it would hide the splash screen which provides valuable information for new and old users alike. If users don't read the normal splash screen, there is no reason to expect them to look at another "setup screen". I claim that opening Emacs on new accounts with no .emacs will be infrequent for most users. Just today I accessed four different machines where I had never logged in (mainly for development stuff, where the machines run different operating systems, often new VMs setup for whatever). Sometimes it is accessing the machine as root, sometimes it is as my self.