From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:17:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v9ge3tet.fsf@gkayaalp.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23256"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: akrl@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?To=3A_G=C3=83=C2=B6ktu=C3=84=C2=9F_Kayaalp_=3Cself=40gkayaalp?= =?UTF-8?Q?=2Ecom=3E=0A?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 13:18:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIVRu-0005yi-Kv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:18:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58250 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIVRt-0007wn-Nx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:18:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46154) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIVR1-0007Vo-E1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37771) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIVQz-0003yK-C4; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:17:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kIVQy-0001EN-Uy; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 07:17:09 -0400 In-reply-to: =?UTF-8?Q?In-reply-to=3A_=3C87v9ge3tet=2Efsf=40gkayaalp=2Ecom=3E_=28messa?= =?UTF-8?Q?ge_from_G=C3=83=C2=B6ktu=C3=84=C2=9F_Kayaalp_on=0A=09Wed=2C_16_?= =?UTF-8?Q?Sep_2020_13=3A30=3A50_+0300=29=0A?= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255858 Archived-At: On 2020-09-16 10:36 +03, Alfred M. Szmidt wrote: > The word modern has a negative meaning in that it implies that the > rest of Emacs isn't modern -- why would users ever want to switch of > "modern-mode" and use the un-modern Emacs? IMHO reading too much into names is not productive. ‘Modern’ is a term that’s used fairly often in this context, and what to expect would be obvious to those who would want to use such a mode: features common to contemporary text editors. Names mean things and in this discussion it was because Emacs was seen as old (i.e., un-modern), a new user would be curious why modern-mode isn't the default. And as the discussion has showed, there is no agreement what people think is modern. So it would be simply better to avoid the term "modern" completely. What features to put in there could slowly brew until 28 is released. Why not slowly brew those and make them default instead?