From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:34:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> <831rjcmgn8.fsf@gnu.org> <897b82c2-8ec2-60c0-f5c3-5ab98f79fbd8@yandex.ru> <20200911114013.vnr6k47bnfqbbvkv@Ergus> <87o8mc4b65.fsf@gmail.com> <20200911150330.jyo65sauphrswf77@Ergus> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6349"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, nicola.manca85@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, jackkamm@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 06:35:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kI2gp-0001Xx-5v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 06:35:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38244 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI2go-0000Ct-8m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:35:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32882) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI2gB-00088j-RR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:34:55 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38168) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI2gA-00084F-Mj; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:34:54 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kI2g6-00088W-2r; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:34:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from chad on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 15:13:58 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255699 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > * Rename undo in simple.el to something descriptive. > ** Perhaps undo-sequence or undo-branching? To rename the command would be an incompatible change that would break programs. To define an alias would not be a problem, but we would need to think of a good one. I don't see any resemblance between undo-sequence or undo-branching and what undo does. Perhaps undo-or-redo would be a meaningful name. > * Change the default action of C-z, at least in gui frames, to call the > above undo rather than suspend frame. I don't like making the default bindings for important commands vary for different types of frames. On tty frames we NEED suspend-frame. But we could have a mode to rebind keys which would rebind C-z. > ** Also add a binding for C-Z (aka C-S-z) to call redo-only. I'm unsure if > this should be bound to something else if the "simple.el undo" method is > chosen, or if an alternative binding for C-Z would be better there. Having C-z be different is ok in a special mode to rebind keys, but in the default bindings we should not start making shift significant for control keys. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)