From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v9ienz6c.fsf@gnus.org> <878sf9c69y.fsf@gnus.org> <871rkw62t3.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26058"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: soyeomul@doraji.xyz, cesar.crusius@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Cesar Crusius Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 08 05:54:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k4FwW-0006hP-T0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 08 Aug 2020 05:54:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41992 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k4FwV-0002qW-Ux for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:54:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44258) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k4Fvv-00022K-K0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:54:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k4Fvv-0003XB-7m; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:54:11 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k4Fvq-0005gO-2d; Fri, 07 Aug 2020 23:54:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Cesar Crusius on Fri, 07 Aug 2020 10:02:40 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253512 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The crux here is that there needs to be an app - their intent is > that the software producer (in this case an "Emacs" or "Gnus") > registers an "official" app, and the app manages its secrets in a > way compliant with their terms (which we already know is pretty > hard for [libre] projects). That is what Google _says_ -- but is it really true? There is no chance we can carry out what Google's terms demand -- we have already determined that. So forget abuot _those_ terms. However, the experience of Kmail suggests that they don't try at all to comply with those termsm, and Google nonetheless tolerates the use of Kmail. That is the avenue that might remain for us. (I replaced the word "OSS" with "libre" when quoting you, to avoid describing our work with the former term. We disagree with that idea. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html.) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)