From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41386: 28.0.50; Gnus nnimap OAuth 2.0 support Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:07:24 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 41386@debbugs.gnu.org To: Thomas Fitzsimmons Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 23 06:08:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jySWf-0004qO-GZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:08:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41484 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jySWe-0005Va-Jp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:08:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jySWY-0005VT-TF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60228) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jySWY-0006jU-Jw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jySWY-0007nT-EQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Richard Stallman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 04:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41386 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 41386-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41386.159547725829942 (code B ref 41386); Thu, 23 Jul 2020 04:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41386) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jul 2020 04:07:38 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jySW9-0007ms-Ru for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:07:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60970) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jySW8-0007mg-HU for 41386@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:07:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33967) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jySW3-0006fC-6d; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:07:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jySVw-0002Qc-Qv; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:07:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thomas Fitzsimmons on Sat, 23 May 2020 11:49:34 -0400) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:183397 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I got this information from someone who knows who says it is all from published information. Does this enable us to cope with Google's planned changes? ====================================================================== GNUS could follow the same process of the the maintainers of KMail to get approved: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/gi5bol/kmailkontact_oauth_signin_with_gmail_enabled_again/ This had nothing to do with shutting off access to free MUAs. It's a matter of hardening the security of GMail accounts and having all 3rd-party clients (free and non-free alike) publish a privacy policy where they describe their usage of the GMail APIs, as described in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/cj7t7c/kmail_doesnt_let_me_sign_in_with_gmail/evchyih/ In particular: Google is not concerned with the legal "significance", they just care about the part about what features of their API we use and how, which seems to be incomplete, judging from the last email I got from them just yesterday, which is my responsibility to update, as I'm more or less the Google integration maintainer in PIM, since I wrote most of the stuff (silly me!) :D The implementation details for XOAUTH2 are here, along with sample code and links to the relevant RFCs: https://developers.google.com/gmail/imap/xoauth2-protocol -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)