From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "whether the global keymap C-x 4 will be replaced by a command," Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:54:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83ft9woo68.fsf@gnu.org> <87wo377wxp.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <87wo353f77.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87o8ofoy9o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31967"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 18 03:54:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jwc3i-0008Bx-TQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Jul 2020 03:54:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53304 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwc3h-0006fy-U3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:54:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwc3F-0006Go-8W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39324) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jwc3E-0005Sb-79; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jwc3D-0007gS-42; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:54:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o8ofoy9o.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:05:43 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253058 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > For consistency, C-h k C-x 4 C-f should show the help for C-x 4 C-f. > > That is find-file-other-window. > A special handling of prefix commands could be added to the > implementation of 'C-h k'. > Then instead of saying that the command is 'find-file-other-window', > it could say: "the command is like 'find-file' but displays the buffer > in another window." That would address this issue. > > C-x 4 C-f is an important command -- don't break it! > Its effect should remain the same (displaying the output buffer in > another window), but the command namespace will be cleaner by removing > duplicated commands with '-other-window' and '-other-frame' suffixes. I see. That would handle C-x 4 C-f ok, but someone pointed out there is also C-x 4 f. People would not like it if that started to do C-x f in another window. So I think there needs to be a exception list, a way of defining a few key sequences starting with C-x 4 so that they depart from the usual rule and maintain backwards compatibility instead. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)